Like I suggested in the previous week's Tech Tuesday, to get a better idea of what each adjustment does, it helps to find a section of trail that you are familiar with and ride it twice, once with the one adjustment backed mostly out and once with it turned mostly in. Repeat this process with each adjustment individually and you'll soon have a clear understanding of what is happening.
Don't be afraid to try a setting that you may not usually use, you could end up surprised at the results. Posted In: Stories RockShox. AdmanMTB Oct 26, at SRAM gets me so frustrated - they have these incredible products I love my boxxers but every year they change them, or modify them, and it completely renders your 1 year old forks as useless, just because a new model has been released.
It's the same with the elixir brakes - instead of spending a long time to get them right, they just released them, found out what was wrong, and made a new model a year later It's the biggest reason I'm considering swapping to Fox suspension, I'm fed up with buying products, only to have them superseded a year later, which means I've lost over half the money I paid for them. SRAM do make awesome products though, I just wish they spent an extra year developing them so the customer gets the product they've paid for.
If you love your Boxxers, as you say you do, why do you care if the Boxxers are different? WAKIdesigns Oct 26, at On the first side of a page it is called: the progress. And there's some truth in it However if you turn the page you might find a chapter called: manufacturing demand.
So in one way it is a progress from which you can gain something, but on another hand they want you to feel bad about the stuff you have. But all of that lies within your psychic pretty much. More stuff you buy because it just looks sick, without thinking damn, the fork I have is actualy pretty good: more you will be exposed to these strategies.
The new stuff always looks better than the old one save Marzocchis I personaly find myself doing that many times, and after some time I just realize that it doesn't make me any happier Currently I try to hold to the stuff I have and if I buy something, I want it to be better in many ways than the stuff I have.
Yeah I agree, but for instance I bought boxxers halfway through this year because they were cheap. I'm not selling my downhill bike as I've had it for 3 years of racing, and the new boxxers I put on it are now overshadowed by the ones How do I know that next year, Rock Shox will not have yet another version of the boxxer?
Or 2 years later? It's for this reason I'm going to give Fox a shot, because I think they are less likely to change things just for the sake of it, and they seem to spend lots of time getting their product right, rather than just flinging new products onto the market, only to find issues with them.
As for "the progress", I'm all in favour of it too! Heck, if there wasn't progress we'd still be riding penny farthings, but SRAM have this obsession remaking their products, or renaming them. I don't see it as fair to release a new product when you know it has plenty of room for improvement AdamMTB: if you like the way your product is functioning, the fashion police won't arrest you if you use it two years in a row. Course they won't! I'm not worried about that. It's that the customer loses money each time these guys release yet another product, when it seems it is a new addition they should have thought about in the first place.
AdamMTB Your Boxxer is not overshadowed by the new model, but that's exactly how they want you to feel so you wanna buy new stuff. I still use the first generation of the Totem, and although they make a new model every year I stick to mine cause I like it and it does the job well!
As far as Fox or even Marzocchi, tell me a year they did not make new models of everything? I seem to remember they made a new set of 40s in 09 completely revamped them and then made those limited edition models in , and Kashima in To me, the limited editions don't count they are not a commerical thing, they're a prototype. The kashima coating was not available I don't think before , so that is a progress that they have added because it was a new technology.
As far as I know, Fox have been more consistant with existing products than Rock Shox have. And as for a few posts above, changing the paint does not count as a performance upgrade. In other words, I'm not jealous of a new product because it's different, it's just that it's not good service to add basic performance upgrades a year later when they should have been in there in the first model.
Get it right the first time, keep it right, and when a new technology comes along, THEN is the time to make a new product. Demo Oct 26, at If it bothers you that much just buy the new internals and drop em' in. It will be a with lowers. It will also be cheaper than buying a new fork. Never ever was changing internals a game worth the money.
In some cases it is even not worth changing the coil spring. Sell the fork buy new one and you will end up spending less money in the end. Just learn to like what you have, and when it gets worn out, then buy a new product. And always ask yourself will it really make me a better rider, is it able to do that at all?
Are you good enough to actualy use the benefits? I didn't say I'm one to do that I'm perfectly happy with my model. And just for the record, I had trouble taking your reply seriously at all Did you know it's actually cheaper to convert a boxxer to WC then to buy a WC? Everything after that was legit points though. I've got some 5 year old marzocchi drop offs and personally i dont see any point in me going to buy some new marzocchi 55s theyre basically for the same purpose but newer because the drop offs are so simple to set up and there is basically nothing that can go wrong with them.
Also i dont feel a vast improvement with the 55s so in 5 years marzocchi hasn't made a far better product so i doubt sram would of made a product that would over-shadow a product a year older. I wouldn't buy Boxxer World Cup Team sounds better no toilet conotations - what are the internalls of you WC? I hope I won't get any rebound from the sewage I'm just trying how far off-topic can we go here with this tech tuesday I think a lot of you are missing my point - I don't feel that the new models are so much better that I have to buy them.
That's not what's pissing me off. This improves the value of my bike when I come to sell it, and its a good selling feature as well as a brilliant addition to performance. I am now selling my bike, with these wonderful World Cups. And what do SRAM do? People now want the forks That I buy something that I see as top of the line, but because SRAM bring out a slighty different model, my awesome forks are now worth jack shit An well this is what should matter to you, isn't it?
Buying new stuff never counts, you loose lots of money as soon as you pay for the product. It is natural: you buy new you loose lots of money: all you get is the "feeling" of having something that no one never used before. The only difference between the Boxxer WC and the is the shape of the adjustment knobs, unless there is some difference in the internals that they aren't advertising which I seriously doubt.
Your fork will depreciate regarless of whether or not the manufacturer releases a new model, which in this case they haven't. If you're buying mountain bikes for their resale value, you might want to stop while you're ahead. They depreciate faster than cars. You have to look at your purchases for your own use and enjoyment only.
Just don't expect to get ANY money back from them for resale and you'll stay sane. Sell the bike without a front fork. Re-use you Boxxer. Problem solved. EricBirk Oct 26, at Thats business dude. I have an 09 Boxxer and still have no use to upgrade to the new ones.
I love mine! MrPulse Oct 26, at SRAM is not the only company that releases new products Ginu Oct 26, at AdmanMTB, out of curiosity I have to ask if you realize the price of an item drops as soon as it leaves the store regardless of the year or make. Unless you have the opportunity of purchasing something which is limited in supply and extremely hard to obtain, the price will drop regardless.
Another option is to purchase at cost if you have the possibility and access to do so, and that way you can switch out forks, frames, components etc Best of luck with FOX, awesome products regardless.
Adman MTB Sweet, how much do u want 4 just the fork then? Ginu Of course I realise that the price drops as soon as it's bought - it loses over half its value depending on the product. But what I'm annoyed about I'll say it again is not that I've lost money, it's that SRAM just don't perfect things the first time - they keep doing meaningless upgrades for the sake of it, and it's not good for the customer. It feels crap, you feel ripped off because you thought you had their best product or even a team model, which more people use and now they've done some meaningless upgrade Name one product that's perfect the first time around.
And if the upgrades are "meaningless", as you say, why do you feel that your older model is inferior? Doesn't make sense. Stop worrying about it and enjoy it for what it is. If you're worried about products being outdated, don't buy a computer either. D-Owen Oct 26, at And why do you pick SRAM?
Its brands like that never change that piss me off. So if we could turn back time would that make you happy? We could downgrade everything every year just so people feel that their original purchase was the right one. Is that waht you really want? Cause every one feels the way you do I buy a fork every couple of years, but i dont always get the newest one. AdmanMTB - fantastic, u just don't want to win that case ;DDD Help yourself and sell something before u get blisters from moaning too much via keyboard ;P Any other offer on ur fork?
Just don't think that FOX 40 is better. It has weak lowers, the fit cartridge has a seal popping out every other day and and the cap holding it in place bending, air gets into the cartridge and so on. When air in the fluid travels upwards why the hack would one put a oil reservoir in the lowers of the fork. This is a premium, race-designed downhill fork made to tackle whatever the toughest World Cup downhill courses can throw at it, so we left the Flood Gate relatively open and turned the blue Motion Control knob a couple of clicks to the right for increased compression damping on black-diamond-level terrain.
This adjustment helped at speed on the faces of jumps and launching big drops onto choppy landings. We mounted the World Cup to our Intense Socom downhill racer.
The Boxxer always took the brunt of the impacts and reliably returned to position ready for more. With many downhill forks, there are some flaws in performance that once noticed will change how you ride them.
The Boxxer World Cup impressively handled all aspects of technical downhill riding. Its agile feel made it fun to launch high-speed jumps and lean into corners, while the superb damping performance gave us assurance in rocky and very technical terrain. The air-sprung Boxxer World Cup has been in development since and debuted in Some of the most talented riders in the world have given their feedback, making the World Cup what it is today.
We have yet to ride another eight-inch slider with such a simple setup procedure, easy tuning, and consistent performance. The sweet science of the BlackBox program has developed a top-performing downhill fork, and the technology has trickled down to the consumer.
The RockShox Boxxer World Cup tops the list of our race-ready premium downhill forks and is ideal for serious racers. RockShox , Fine tuned: The incremental clicks of the Motion Control knob provided plenty of high-speed compression tuning options for gnarly terrain. What Are Wide Trail Tires? No fork has won more downhill championships than the RockShox Boxxer. Crown jewel: The top crown of the Boxxer is capable of using a direct-mount or steerer clamp stem.
The RockShox Boxxer World Cup with millimeter stanchions has an incredibly easy, hassle-free setup. Simply start with the recommended air pressure for the rider weight and see how that feels. For example, according to the chart, a pound rider would run about psi.
From here you can tune the rebound damping to your liking. Through trial and error, we found the recipe for supple small-bump absorption and smooth, full-travel fork action to be about two psi less than recommended and one click of the Motion Control damping knob. We rarely adjusted the gold Flood Gate knob on top of the blue MoCo control, leaving it a couple clicks from fully open. The incremental clicks of the Motion Control knob provided plenty of high-speed compression tuning options for gnarly terrain.
The World Cup can be used with a conventional or a direct-mount stem. All Boxxer forks are equipped with the Maxle DH. The Boxxer World Cup is proven to perform on the most demanding of courses. MBA Action posts 0 comments. Prev Post Ohio. You might also like. Prev Next.
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